Comments on: Goo To Go http://www.enviroreporter.com/2009/08/goo-to-go/ Thu, 17 May 2012 20:57:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: christina walsh http://www.enviroreporter.com/2009/08/goo-to-go/#comment-31 christina walsh Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:40:16 +0000 http://www.enviroreporter.com/?p=5648#comment-31 I am also yearning for a geology class now after all I've learned and have yet to learn! Let's keep talking, that's the whole point! Thanks Marge, c I am also yearning for a geology class now after all I’ve learned and have yet to learn!

Let’s keep talking, that’s the whole point! Thanks Marge,
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]]> By: Margery Brown http://www.enviroreporter.com/2009/08/goo-to-go/#comment-30 Margery Brown Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:56:46 +0000 http://www.enviroreporter.com/?p=5648#comment-30 How nice it is to have two web sites where issues can be discussed as they arise......RIS and EnviroReporter. Thank you Michael for detailing the issues up front, and we can count on you for accurate information at all times. Thank you Christina for your comments that always shed extra light on the subject at hand. My own tendency is to always want to comment on the overall situation....the "big picture". I am always afraid that we will get lost and immobilized in all of the technical details....but then, admittedly, I often seem to lack either the ability or enthusiasm to master those. However, I certainly do recognize that those smaller technical details are very important and need to be discussed carefully. I am sorry to say that I have never taken a Geology class, and that this whole thing is just so not my field. For this reason, I am especially happy for web sites like this that are a great help in catching up with the devil that is surely in those details. I thank you most gratefully. How nice it is to have two web sites where issues can be discussed as they arise……RIS and EnviroReporter. Thank you Michael for detailing the issues up front, and we can count on you for accurate information at all times. Thank you Christina for your comments that always shed extra light on the subject at hand.

My own tendency is to always want to comment on the overall situation….the “big picture”. I am always afraid that we will get lost and immobilized in all of the technical details….but then, admittedly, I often seem to lack either the ability or enthusiasm to master those. However, I certainly do recognize that those smaller technical details are very important and need to be discussed carefully.

I am sorry to say that I have never taken a Geology class, and that this whole thing is just so not my field. For this reason, I am especially happy for web sites like this that are a great help in catching up with the devil that is surely in those details.

I thank you most gratefully.

]]> By: christina walsh http://www.enviroreporter.com/2009/08/goo-to-go/#comment-29 christina walsh Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:34:17 +0000 http://www.enviroreporter.com/?p=5648#comment-29 This Cleanup and Abatement Order was specifically for outfalls 8 and 9 which are not the watersheds from the SRE, and that is because that is where the 79 violations that resulted in the $471k fine and subsequent CDO that evolved into the ENTS. The ENTS didn't work very well because it proposed putting pond treatment train systems atop known contaminated areas, and specifically with regard to NASA, they refused to allow these systems to be built on their property. So the response, was to do a removal action, since NASA was willing to do the ISRA. In addition, the outfall 9 removal is specially the pond sediment of a "burn-runoff pond" the came from the ELV operations in Area 1. This area should come out because of the high concentrations and is a very specific area that is this pond, and the overflow drainage area from it. The ENTS proposal was to put a treatment system on top of this contaminated area, so in a way, it makes sense that NASA might prefer to just take it out, rather than deal with maintenance of equipment that would eventually have to be removed in order to do the SB990 clean-up of that same area. This drainage area leads to a road, and should have BMPs on it throughout the removal of the area above. In Outfall 8, which is "Happy Valley" in Area 1 which drains to Dayton Canyon/West Hills/Chatsworth direction, and is a very steep area. This particular area had an interim measure done several years ago where they removed soil to bedrock. In looking at the area removed before, it missed several significant storage/operational areas (but small areas) and those areas are what is being proposed for removal now. Based on the surprises in the past, and the fact that this area was missed, I think that any areas here that show mounding, or disturbance, and proper screening of all material is paramount. The estimates for the entire site range from 400,000 cubic yards up to 1 million cubic yards, but all these numbers thrown around seem premature since the RCRA reports (9 of 11 are out) still need SB990 background data to determine clean-up levels and that will drive help us know more about how much soil we are talking about. In addition, the feasibility study is just beginning (for corrective measures and require the completion of the characterization and the RAD survey to really have any teeth. For perspective for those who have been watching the progress, the Northern Drainage cleanup that has been going on for almost 2 years is about 11,000 cubic yards to date, and this clean-up that is being proposed in the ISRA is something like 7500 yards. so these truly are interim high concentration areas that are being proposed for removal. This Cleanup and Abatement Order was specifically for outfalls 8 and 9 which are not the watersheds from the SRE, and that is because that is where the 79 violations that resulted in the $471k fine and subsequent CDO that evolved into the ENTS. The ENTS didn’t work very well because it proposed putting pond treatment train systems atop known contaminated areas, and specifically with regard to NASA, they refused to allow these systems to be built on their property. So the response, was to do a removal action, since NASA was willing to do the ISRA. In addition, the outfall 9 removal is specially the pond sediment of a “burn-runoff pond” the came from the ELV operations in Area 1. This area should come out because of the high concentrations and is a very specific area that is this pond, and the overflow drainage area from it. The ENTS proposal was to put a treatment system on top of this contaminated area, so in a way, it makes sense that NASA might prefer to just take it out, rather than deal with maintenance of equipment that would eventually have to be removed in order to do the SB990 clean-up of that same area. This drainage area leads to a road, and should have BMPs on it throughout the removal of the area above. In Outfall 8, which is “Happy Valley” in Area 1 which drains to Dayton Canyon/West Hills/Chatsworth direction, and is a very steep area. This particular area had an interim measure done several years ago where they removed soil to bedrock. In looking at the area removed before, it missed several significant storage/operational areas (but small areas) and those areas are what is being proposed for removal now. Based on the surprises in the past, and the fact that this area was missed, I think that any areas here that show mounding, or disturbance, and proper screening of all material is paramount.

The estimates for the entire site range from 400,000 cubic yards up to 1 million cubic yards, but all these numbers thrown around seem premature since the RCRA reports (9 of 11 are out) still need SB990 background data to determine clean-up levels and that will drive help us know more about how much soil we are talking about. In addition, the feasibility study is just beginning (for corrective measures and require the completion of the characterization and the RAD survey to really have any teeth.

For perspective for those who have been watching the progress, the Northern Drainage cleanup that has been going on for almost 2 years is about 11,000 cubic yards to date, and this clean-up that is being proposed in the ISRA is something like 7500 yards. so these truly are interim high concentration areas that are being proposed for removal.

]]> By: Trudi Ferguson http://www.enviroreporter.com/2009/08/goo-to-go/#comment-28 Trudi Ferguson Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:22:52 +0000 http://www.enviroreporter.com/?p=5648#comment-28 You are absolutely right! Where is HazMat? They don't want to delay it because they want the contaminated soil out of there before the rainy season begins, makes sense. Yet this contamination has been undisturbed since the 1959 SRE meltdown to present time. The exception would be the outfalls and runoffs. The urgency of LARWQCB ordering Boeing to get it done now, is significant, and understandable considering the responsibility they have in providing safe clean water to the public. On the other hand, I can't imagine how much dust will become airborne upon removal of 100 million cubic yards of contaminated soil! At least there will be job openings for Water Truck operators. Heh I know, you can always check to see if there are any fairy shrimp in the area! I'd like to see how easy it would be get this permit then. But then again, all of the fairy shrimp are probably dead! Like my Family! I was just told a Semi Truck holds 20 yards. This would be a billion truck loads! That's a lot of DUST! You are absolutely right! Where is HazMat?
They don’t want to delay it because they want the
contaminated soil out of there before the rainy season
begins, makes sense.
Yet this contamination has been undisturbed since the 1959
SRE meltdown to present time. The exception would be
the outfalls and runoffs.
The urgency of LARWQCB ordering Boeing to get it done
now, is significant, and understandable considering
the responsibility they have in providing safe clean water
to the public. On the other hand,
I can’t imagine how much dust will become airborne
upon removal of 100 million cubic yards of contaminated
soil!
At least there will be job openings for Water Truck
operators.
Heh I know, you can always check to see if there
are any fairy shrimp in the area! I’d like to
see how easy it would be get this permit then.
But then again, all of the fairy shrimp are probably
dead! Like my Family!
I was just told a Semi Truck holds 20 yards.
This would be a billion truck loads!
That’s a lot of DUST!

]]> By: Michael Sullivan http://www.enviroreporter.com/2009/08/goo-to-go/#comment-27 Michael Sullivan Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:00:24 +0000 http://www.enviroreporter.com/?p=5648#comment-27 Good stuff! Always on top of it, Radiation Ranger! Keep in touch! Good stuff! Always on top of it, Radiation Ranger!

Keep in touch!

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